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	<title>Comments on: Oh, Canada. . .</title>
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	<description>Media trespasses against us</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8863</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuck. This company reminds me it's not always as wonderful as I think it is up here in the North. We're just as sexist and exploitative as anywhere. And actually, along the same lines (though not related to this post) I just found out last night that if a Canadian commits sex crimes in another country they can be a) put away for life in most other countries or b) tried for up to 14 years here in Canada. If a Canadian commits sex crimes right here in Canada s/he can receive up to 10 years in prison. How much sense are we making? Not that I believe in our court/justice systems anyway, but they could at least make sense on paper, non?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuck. This company reminds me it&#8217;s not always as wonderful as I think it is up here in the North. We&#8217;re just as sexist and exploitative as anywhere. And actually, along the same lines (though not related to this post) I just found out last night that if a Canadian commits sex crimes in another country they can be a) put away for life in most other countries or b) tried for up to 14 years here in Canada. If a Canadian commits sex crimes right here in Canada s/he can receive up to 10 years in prison. How much sense are we making? Not that I believe in our court/justice systems anyway, but they could at least make sense on paper, non?</p>
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		<title>By: traceesioux</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8606</link>
		<dc:creator>traceesioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of the actual article, was "attempt to sell feminism with permanent sexual availability."  

This is one of my pet issues, how girls are told that to be always sexually available is a powerful position. As a young woman, I often tried to find my value in that, do to the strongly marketed message, but ultimately it didn't feel empowering, just degrading. 

As a mother trying to empower a daughter, and writing about it, I'm increasingly disgusted that she is already being marketed to, by Bratz and Barbies and other girl culture like Disney Princesses on clothing, that to be permanently sexually available is the key to happiness. To be desired is success is the girl-message of our sexualized culture.  

Now that I'm a grown woman I realize - uh, no it's not. Having my panties around my ankles is not what being a desirable and empowered woman is all about. But, it sure as hell made it really easy for men to get laid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of the actual article, was &#8220;attempt to sell feminism with permanent sexual availability.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is one of my pet issues, how girls are told that to be always sexually available is a powerful position. As a young woman, I often tried to find my value in that, do to the strongly marketed message, but ultimately it didn&#8217;t feel empowering, just degrading. </p>
<p>As a mother trying to empower a daughter, and writing about it, I&#8217;m increasingly disgusted that she is already being marketed to, by Bratz and Barbies and other girl culture like Disney Princesses on clothing, that to be permanently sexually available is the key to happiness. To be desired is success is the girl-message of our sexualized culture.  </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m a grown woman I realize - uh, no it&#8217;s not. Having my panties around my ankles is not what being a desirable and empowered woman is all about. But, it sure as hell made it really easy for men to get laid.</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8545</link>
		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fat, skinny, whatever- Plain Jane is just trying to rip off Abercrombie and their line wont go much further than this blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fat, skinny, whatever- Plain Jane is just trying to rip off Abercrombie and their line wont go much further than this blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: hey</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8508</link>
		<dc:creator>hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, i realized afterwards that wasn't you, and i apologize for any of my thoughts up there that were directed at that commenter because i wasn't sure who i was addressing. I realized after your post it wasn't you though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, i realized afterwards that wasn&#8217;t you, and i apologize for any of my thoughts up there that were directed at that commenter because i wasn&#8217;t sure who i was addressing. I realized after your post it wasn&#8217;t you though.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8507</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to your earlier comment:

â€œLooks like you fit in perfectly. You are the perfect size.â€

Thats as rude as teling a fat person after they make a mistake that, hey, its because all fat people must be stupid. They are â€œthe perfect size.â€ Its bitchy and catty, and what she said almost made me cry. But hey, who. . ."

I didn't write that entry.  Apologies for any confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to your earlier comment:</p>
<p>â€œLooks like you fit in perfectly. You are the perfect size.â€</p>
<p>Thats as rude as teling a fat person after they make a mistake that, hey, its because all fat people must be stupid. They are â€œthe perfect size.â€ Its bitchy and catty, and what she said almost made me cry. But hey, who. . .&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write that entry.  Apologies for any confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8504</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thin, fat, everywhere in the middle, the advertising displayed on this website shows me that, no matter what the size of a woman's body, there are many people who will exploit it in order to make money. 

Here, here for careful language that ensures all people in this movement are included. Here, here, also, for self-awareness and careful listening that promote peaceful discussion. 

 I believe it is important to recognize when anyone is feeling angled-out, hurt or attacked. AND, I also think it is important to believe the best in each other. In the eyes of advertisers, we're all in this together. The post below shows us that fat women are used, just as well as thin, to promote a very particular, very limited image of women. Maybe we can recognize the need for careful language and inclusion, and also recognize that Plain Jane Couture is using the bodies of thin women to create an image that degrades us all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thin, fat, everywhere in the middle, the advertising displayed on this website shows me that, no matter what the size of a woman&#8217;s body, there are many people who will exploit it in order to make money. </p>
<p>Here, here for careful language that ensures all people in this movement are included. Here, here, also, for self-awareness and careful listening that promote peaceful discussion. </p>
<p> I believe it is important to recognize when anyone is feeling angled-out, hurt or attacked. AND, I also think it is important to believe the best in each other. In the eyes of advertisers, we&#8217;re all in this together. The post below shows us that fat women are used, just as well as thin, to promote a very particular, very limited image of women. Maybe we can recognize the need for careful language and inclusion, and also recognize that Plain Jane Couture is using the bodies of thin women to create an image that degrades us all?</p>
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		<title>By: hey</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8502</link>
		<dc:creator>hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright maybe I did misread it. But I didnt misread that middle comment, illustrating the exact problem with people who frequent this site (I frequent it because i think the concept is okay, but needs a hell of a lot of tweaking)

"Looks like you fit in perfectly. You are the perfect size."

Thats as rude as teling a fat person after they make a mistake that, hey, its because all fat people must be stupid. They are "the perfect size." Its bitchy and catty, and what she said almost made me cry. But hey, who cares right? Skinny girls deserve to made fun of and beat down. Its like a game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright maybe I did misread it. But I didnt misread that middle comment, illustrating the exact problem with people who frequent this site (I frequent it because i think the concept is okay, but needs a hell of a lot of tweaking)</p>
<p>&#8220;Looks like you fit in perfectly. You are the perfect size.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats as rude as teling a fat person after they make a mistake that, hey, its because all fat people must be stupid. They are &#8220;the perfect size.&#8221; Its bitchy and catty, and what she said almost made me cry. But hey, who cares right? Skinny girls deserve to made fun of and beat down. Its like a game</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8500</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding thin women. . .

Thanks for your comment and trust me, there is no "thin hate" implied.  I am a thin woman and have never concerned myself with sizes.  In fact, I even used to do some modeling.  

I'm happy to see we agree on this company being disgusting, but I am afraid you are missing the point.

I'm certainly not bashing women who wear a size zero - I've coached plenty of gymnasts, divers, lightweight rowers, etc. . and have never thought of them as "vain" or "terrible human beings."  I don't know where you are getting that.  I'm asking for companies to think outside the airbrushed box, that's all.  I'm not blaming women for whatever size they are - that is ridiculous.  I'm sorry you misinterpreted this.  You read a lot of misplaced anger into this that simply wasn't there.  

I do accept women of all shapes and sizes - what I don't accept is the spinelessness of taking on a modeling gig for such a company.  (And greed is not an acceptable reason.)

I know I'm an idealist, but I feel that we are tasked to contribute to our communities and leave this world a better place.  Trite as that may sound, it is true.  I also believe that I am a role model for girls and I take that very seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding thin women. . .</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and trust me, there is no &#8220;thin hate&#8221; implied.  I am a thin woman and have never concerned myself with sizes.  In fact, I even used to do some modeling.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to see we agree on this company being disgusting, but I am afraid you are missing the point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not bashing women who wear a size zero - I&#8217;ve coached plenty of gymnasts, divers, lightweight rowers, etc. . and have never thought of them as &#8220;vain&#8221; or &#8220;terrible human beings.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know where you are getting that.  I&#8217;m asking for companies to think outside the airbrushed box, that&#8217;s all.  I&#8217;m not blaming women for whatever size they are - that is ridiculous.  I&#8217;m sorry you misinterpreted this.  You read a lot of misplaced anger into this that simply wasn&#8217;t there.  </p>
<p>I do accept women of all shapes and sizes - what I don&#8217;t accept is the spinelessness of taking on a modeling gig for such a company.  (And greed is not an acceptable reason.)</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m an idealist, but I feel that we are tasked to contribute to our communities and leave this world a better place.  Trite as that may sound, it is true.  I also believe that I am a role model for girls and I take that very seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: hey</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8499</link>
		<dc:creator>hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that you are unwilling to have me voice my opinions just proves that you know I am right and you don't want to admit it. The thing about opinions blogs is that you have to be willing to argue opinion. The fact that you can't proves that you have a weak argument that you can't defend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you are unwilling to have me voice my opinions just proves that you know I am right and you don&#8217;t want to admit it. The thing about opinions blogs is that you have to be willing to argue opinion. The fact that you can&#8217;t proves that you have a weak argument that you can&#8217;t defend.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
		<link>http://about-face.org/blog/archives/137#comment-8498</link>
		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.therotund.com/?p=11

I am not prejudice towards larger women. I have a good deal of friends, who by their own terms are  plus sized. But if I acted like you just did to me but in reverse, that would be considered fat hate. So you are far worse than I am, honey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.therotund.com/?p=11" rel="nofollow">http://www.therotund.com/?p=11</a></p>
<p>I am not prejudice towards larger women. I have a good deal of friends, who by their own terms are  plus sized. But if I acted like you just did to me but in reverse, that would be considered fat hate. So you are far worse than I am, honey.</p>
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