Comments on: Hostile Hostel takes woman-hating to a new level http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108 Media trespasses against us Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:41:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jackie http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-9452 Jackie Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:30:54 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-9452 I agree with Not your World. The first Hostel featured men being tortured, much more graphically then they showed women being tortured in this film by the way. There was no real outrage, other than it being seen as contraversial for it's violence. The reason the creators of Hostel 2 used women, was to prove the point you are making. They don't even have to really show women being tortured, they merely have to suggest it and people start getting hopping mad. I don't see you complaining about, what is by far the worst scene of the film. The part where one of the girls rip off a guy's dick, while he was alive. The point of the film, is that there's a difference between encouraging girls to be strong, and encouraging girls to be man-haters. The point was that nobody is going to care about a woman torturing a man, because men somehow deserve it. Yet even think about the concept of a woman being tortured, and you have every pro-woman's organization screaming protest. It's not equality when concern for one gender over another takes precidence. Also, do you really think a parent who sees their son turned on by this torture, wouldn't send them straight to a psychiatrist? Don't you think it's offensive to say, that adolescent boys are so primal and animalistic, that they'd get off to women being tortured? Hostel has information on their sites to raise awareness of the real horror of the human trade industry. It seems that you must know nothing about the horror film industry. Few if any horror films, show violence towards women while the woman just sits there without protest. The women fight back. I don't see this in the romance films, if you want to look for a film genre that objectifies women just look there. It says, all women desire to be constantly sexually available, and isn't it cute when they tease the guy and oops, land in bed? That is offensive. Do some more research on horror films before you jump on the OMG, they're promoting torturing women bandwagon. How about talking to women like myself, who are fans of the horror film industry. If you watch something other than teenybopper fare, you'll realize most horror films have a intelligent message AGAINST violence towards others. I agree with Not your World. The first Hostel featured men being tortured, much more graphically then they showed women being tortured in this film by the way. There was no real outrage, other than it being seen as contraversial for it’s violence.

The reason the creators of Hostel 2 used women, was to prove the point you are making. They don’t even have to really show women being tortured, they merely have to suggest it and people start getting hopping mad.

I don’t see you complaining about, what is by far the worst scene of the film. The part where one of the girls rip off a guy’s dick, while he was alive. The point of the film, is that there’s a difference between encouraging girls to be strong, and encouraging girls to be man-haters. The point was that nobody is going to care about a woman torturing a man, because men somehow deserve it. Yet even think about the concept of a woman being tortured, and you have every pro-woman’s organization screaming protest.

It’s not equality when concern for one gender over another takes precidence. Also, do you really think a parent who sees their son turned on by this torture, wouldn’t send them straight to a psychiatrist? Don’t you think it’s offensive to say, that adolescent boys are so primal and animalistic, that they’d get off to women being tortured?

Hostel has information on their sites to raise awareness of the real horror of the human trade industry. It seems that you must know nothing about the horror film industry. Few if any horror films, show violence towards women while the woman just sits there without protest. The women fight back.

I don’t see this in the romance films, if you want to look for a film genre that objectifies women just look there. It says, all women desire to be constantly sexually available, and isn’t it cute when they tease the guy and oops, land in bed? That is offensive.

Do some more research on horror films before you jump on the OMG, they’re promoting torturing women bandwagon. How about talking to women like myself, who are fans of the horror film industry. If you watch something other than teenybopper fare, you’ll realize most horror films have a intelligent message AGAINST violence towards others.

]]> By: http://www.horrormoviereviews.org/ http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8521 http://www.horrormoviereviews.org/ Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:18:44 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8521 <strong>http://www.horrormoviereviews.org/...</strong> Scary, that depends on the person I guess! Regardless we love horror movies at horror movie reviews!... http://www.horrormoviereviews.org/...

Scary, that depends on the person I guess! Regardless we love horror movies at horror movie reviews!…

]]> By: Not your World http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8301 Not your World Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:43:07 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8301 Oh, forgot to add, in Candyman a little black boy had his groin ripped out by the monster. In Terminator 3, a young boy was blatantly killed by the "FEMALE" terminator. Where is the outrage???? Easy: Killing men is okay and acceptable. Nobody cares about men or how they feel. They aren't even human. Maybe the women are sexualized but at least people know that they are there! They aren't non-existent and degraded. There are other people in the world other than Women. There are men and children too y'know! Not everything is about women and "their" issues. Though looking at tv and movies/the media you wouldn't know it. Oh, forgot to add, in Candyman a little black boy had his groin ripped out by the monster. In Terminator 3, a young boy was blatantly killed by the “FEMALE” terminator. Where is the outrage????

Easy: Killing men is okay and acceptable.

Nobody cares about men or how they feel. They aren’t even human. Maybe the women are sexualized but at least people know that they are there! They aren’t non-existent and degraded.

There are other people in the world other than Women. There are men and children too y’know! Not everything is about women and “their” issues. Though looking at tv and movies/the media you wouldn’t know it.

]]> By: Not your World http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8300 Not your World Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:37:55 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8300 funny, you see hundreds of films of men being mutilated, shot, killed, sexually assaulted, burned and blown up in real life and on tvand it doesn't bother anyone. Where are all of the women when this goes on? Yet, you show one woman so much as break a finger nail and its horrific and sexist and anti-women. How many films have you seen where women are kicked in the groin??? Did you know that the overwhelming number of violent crime victims in the World are men? Where is the female outrage for that??? Whatever. Women can goto hell. funny, you see hundreds of films of men being mutilated, shot, killed, sexually assaulted, burned and blown up in real life and on tvand it doesn’t bother anyone. Where are all of the women when this goes on? Yet, you show one woman so much as break a finger nail and its horrific and sexist and anti-women. How many films have you seen where women are kicked in the groin??? Did you know that the overwhelming number of violent crime victims in the World are men? Where is the female outrage for that???

Whatever. Women can goto hell.

]]> By: Patrick Pricken http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8014 Patrick Pricken Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:38:28 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-8014 So... did you actually see the movie? Do you watch a lot of horror movies? I mean, the usual thing about horror movies is exactly the opposite of what you're claiming here, and what the "torture porn" people often say it is. You're not supposed to cheer at the torture, but feel with the victims, is one thing. Horror movies can present you with violence against women that you cannot tune out, that you have to face. Also, usually in horror there is the "final girl", which means the woman who survives (and it is more often a woman than a man). This Final Girl usually turns the tables and takes revenge, and the audience is invited to cheer for her and sympathize with her empowerment. I have not seen Hostel II, but I think this is a knee-jerk reaction to the film. Now, the ads, or say the one ad with the naked body, is harsh and problematic. That I agree on. Also, bad horror movies tend to have only inventive death scenes without story or likeable characters (say, the SAW series) - that's something they've got in common with porn, then. I don't think Hostel is part of that trend, but I could be wrong. Could you, too? So… did you actually see the movie? Do you watch a lot of horror movies? I mean, the usual thing about horror movies is exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming here, and what the “torture porn” people often say it is. You’re not supposed to cheer at the torture, but feel with the victims, is one thing. Horror movies can present you with violence against women that you cannot tune out, that you have to face.

Also, usually in horror there is the “final girl”, which means the woman who survives (and it is more often a woman than a man). This Final Girl usually turns the tables and takes revenge, and the audience is invited to cheer for her and sympathize with her empowerment.

I have not seen Hostel II, but I think this is a knee-jerk reaction to the film. Now, the ads, or say the one ad with the naked body, is harsh and problematic. That I agree on. Also, bad horror movies tend to have only inventive death scenes without story or likeable characters (say, the SAW series) - that’s something they’ve got in common with porn, then. I don’t think Hostel is part of that trend, but I could be wrong. Could you, too?

]]> By: Jennifer http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7931 Jennifer Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:28:34 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7931 jnuihnio: True, torture of any gender is horrible, but yes, I do think there's a difference between showing women and men being tortured this way. By making the women "hot" and therefore sexualized, in a culture that only values women when they are sexualized, we mix sex with violence. Also, women remain the more-victimized sex for reasons due to their sex. (I don't necessarily agree that women and men should be treated as equals when something negative is happening. Just because we make women into objects doesn't mean we need to do it to men, too, just to "even the score.") jnuihnio: True, torture of any gender is horrible, but yes, I do think there’s a difference between showing women and men being tortured this way. By making the women “hot” and therefore sexualized, in a culture that only values women when they are sexualized, we mix sex with violence. Also, women remain the more-victimized sex for reasons due to their sex. (I don’t necessarily agree that women and men should be treated as equals when something negative is happening. Just because we make women into objects doesn’t mean we need to do it to men, too, just to “even the score.”)

]]> By: jnuihnio http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7930 jnuihnio Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:21:05 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7930 Yeah, i dont like it either, but why is this any worse than the first hostel? Do you value a women more than a male? They should be treated as equals, and both groups getting tortured is equally bad Yeah, i dont like it either, but why is this any worse than the first hostel? Do you value a women more than a male? They should be treated as equals, and both groups getting tortured is equally bad

]]> By: Sheila http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7912 Sheila Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:55:27 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7912 I like the tip - to remind us we do have a say! I like the tip - to remind us we do have a say!

]]> By: jj http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7683 jj Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:16:31 +0000 http://about-face.org/blog/archives/108#comment-7683 Unbelievable. I am horrified beyond belief. It reminds me of what Mick LaSalle had to say about another movie recently: "...the film emerges as a subtle commentary on a disquieting aspect of our current culture -- a commentary on the nature of a masturbatory voyeurism and how it fosters heartlessness by turning other people into objects. When Mr. Brooks and the other perverse characters in the film are aroused, they have to forget the humanity of others in order to achieve satisfaction. If they remember that other people are people, they'll lose the impulse. The relevance of this message to the society at large and not just to the characters is obvious, in that we live in a voyeuristic culture, in which both entertainment and commerce trade on instant and impersonal arousal. I suspect that 50 or 60 years ago, this film would have made absolutely no sense to people. But today we can see in the cold world of "Mr. Brooks" the coldness of our own world. And we can look at Mr. Brooks for minutes at a time and forget that he's a villain, or simply not care. If this says something, it's not something good. " Unbelievable. I am horrified beyond belief. It reminds me of what Mick LaSalle had to say about another movie recently:

“…the film emerges as a subtle commentary on a disquieting aspect of our current culture — a commentary on the nature of a masturbatory voyeurism and how it fosters heartlessness by turning other people into objects. When Mr. Brooks and the other perverse characters in the film are aroused, they have to forget the humanity of others in order to achieve satisfaction. If they remember that other people are people, they’ll lose the impulse.

The relevance of this message to the society at large and not just to the characters is obvious, in that we live in a voyeuristic culture, in which both entertainment and commerce trade on instant and impersonal arousal. I suspect that 50 or 60 years ago, this film would have made absolutely no sense to people. But today we can see in the cold world of “Mr. Brooks” the coldness of our own world. And we can look at Mr. Brooks for minutes at a time and forget that he’s a villain, or simply not care.

If this says something, it’s not something good. “

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